ljgrace56 "Good soldiers don't follow bad orders"~General G. Patton~
dkmullen @KennethSwiney - Unfortunately it looks like the Commander of Africa Command was relieved of duty for telling Obama to go to hell after being told not to render assistance. A Navy Admiral was soon to follow.
dkmullen 1st step in a dictatorship, find military officers that will support you, no matter what.
dkmullen @KennethSwiney - it is refreshing to see someone actually use "Per" properly. My hat is off to you, Sir.
KennethSwiney @likeAplan - Per Obama he gave order to give all asistance . He he not commander and chief?
KennethSwiney @likeAplan - Per Obama he gave order to supply All assistance possible.
KennethSwiney @likeAplan - First order if no to obey a unlawful order.
brote A true hero who left to die by his own government.
bigeasy43 My fool comment is addressed to Kenneth, The LAP,
bigeasy43 At one time I thought you were playing the fool, now, with every comment you post, I am convinced you're working every day to prove that you are, indeed, an accomplished fool!
dkmullen @likeAplan - this is what he said 1st. This is about the information he was given by the pentagon. “This news that he disobeyed his orders does not surprise me. My son was an American hero, and he had the moral strength to do what was right … even if it would have professionally cost him his job, even if it would have cost him his life.”
dkmullen @likeAplan - you cherry picking and not objectively telling the story makes you the stuff that people scrape off of the bottom of their shoes.
dkmullen @likeAplan - He was told by the pentagon. Your actions are disgraceful. Read the entire interview. If I were in arms reach of you right now. You might have some explaining to do.
dkmullen @likeAplan - He said that the Pentagon said that his son disobeyed orders. Get it the facts straight.
likeAplan Woods, said,"The reason I am even speaking up, our family had made the decision not to say anything, but after the facts came out that in real-time, the White House, minutes after the first bullet was fired, they watched my son, they denied his pleas for help. My son violated his orders in order to protect the lives of at least 30 people. He risked his life to be a hero..."
dkmullen once again you post a question (this is actually a statement) that is not fact.
dkmullen @likeAplan he didn't say that his son disobeyed orders. http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/10/26/i-do-not-appreciate-cowardice-and-i-do-not-appreciate-lies-father-of-former-navy-seal-killed-in-libya-attack-reacts-to-learning-his-son-disobeyed-orders-to-save-fellow-americans/
dkmullen @likeAplan - don't know. Will have to look at his interview.
likeAplan @dkmullen - why did Mr. Woods father say that he disobeyed orders? How would he have know this?
dkmullen Pentagon Sources say it is administrative awaiting the outcome of investigations.
likeAplan @dkmullen - Ok...you say the President relieved them. Why would he do that?
dkmullen Relieved means "Fired" The President is the only one who can relieve a Flag Officer.
likeAplan @dkmullen - why were does men relieved? Who relieved them?
dkmullen @likeAplan - The Obama Administration also relieved the admiral in command of an aircraft carrier strike group in the Middle East, Rear Adm. Charles M. Gaouette. It is highly unusual for the Navy to replace a carrier strike group commander during its deployment. I wonder if there are a few Flag Officers that don't openly support Obama's ability to command war time troops.
dkmullen The General in charge of Africa Command was relieved of duty. He was told not to send any support into the compound. He sent in some additional assets to help out Mr. Woods and Mr. Doherty. Wait until this hits the MSM.
dkmullen @likeAplan - Okay there is more to this than you are thinking about. There are documents in the compound that cannot fall into enemy hands. There is a 1 hour time window for the consulate staff to destroy those documents. The actions of Mr. Woods and Mr. Doherty gave them that time. Those 2 men were killed at about hour 7 of the battle. The Ambassador and the other man were killed before hour 2 was up. The actions of Mr. Woods and Doherty saved lives I am sure.
dkmullen @likeAplan - But I do know that he was a contractor hired to protect the Annex and U.S. Assets.
likeAplan @dkmullen - if he had stay back, would less people have been killed?
likeAplan @dkmullen - (you said, Stop trying to make it look like he was breaking the law by disobeying orders.") I did not say he disobeyed orders, HIS FATHER DID. I don't know what his orders or mission is/were. And, don't pretend that you know either.
dkmullen @likeAplan - The people in the Annex may have told him and the other brave young man to stay behind and guard the Annex. But, they chose to do what is right. They gave their lives protecting U.S. assets and U.S. property. I would expect nothing less. They didn't die because they did what they were told not to do. They died protecting America.
likeAplan @dkmullen - we have a conversation about adversity before. Mr. Woods made a decision when one needed to be made. According to his father, he said that he disobeyed orders. It appears that Mr. Woods did what you and other brave Americans would have done.
likeAplan @dkmullen - I don't know that the laws or rules or what a contract say about orders. It is only known that he disobeyed orders because his father said it when being interviewed.
dkmullen Men do not become heroes to because of bravery. Men become heroes because they they do something extraordinary in the face of adversity. They don't do it for glory, they do it because it needs to be done to save lives.
dkmullen @likeAplan - I have disobeyed orders before, if I knew them to be unlawful or out of line. You have to understand that my oath didn't say I would blindly obey. It says that I would support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic. It doesn't take away my ability to reason.
likeAplan @dkmullen - I have never questioned your bravery or courage, and never will. You have served this country, and we appropriate that. No doubt your instinct to protect would have propelled you to act accordingly. However, you will also not ever disobey orders because you are loyal.
dkmullen @likeAplan - Again, he was a contractor. His job was to protect U.S. Assets and U.S. Property. He asked to go and help repel the attack, they told him no so he went anyway. That makes him a hero, not an unlawful thug. Stop trying to make it look like he was breaking the law by disobeying orders.
likeAplan @likeAplan - For all I know, he could have been given orders to go to the fight. But, his father said that he disobeyed orders. Did his son leave him a message? Did he text him during the gunfight? How else would his father know what he did. Unless, they talked about his orders prior to that tragic date.
dkmullen @likeAplan - I know that if I were in that situation, I would have tried to protect them and get them out. I would have disregarded any instruction that would force me to watch them die. That is just the kind of guy I am. I guess you would have let them attempt to defend the compound and assets themselves.
likeAplan @dkmullen - I'm going by what his father said. I have not read a contract or been to Benghazi. All I'm saying is that his very own father said he disobeyed orders in order to save lives, but unfortunately he was not ale to save four more of them. He is still a hero for showing bravery and courage.
dkmullen There was a young Army Ranger that was awarded the MOH last year. He disobeyed orders and saved the lives of other soldiers that had been ambushed.
dkmullen @likeAplan - You would have to look at his contract to understand the rest, but I am sure there is a clause in it that allows him to act in a manner required to protect assets of the U.S. of America.
likeAplan @dkmullen - Mr. Woods father said that his son disobeyed orders. Do you not believe him?
dkmullen @likeAplan - A Lawful Order is an order given to you by someone appointed over you by higher authority which you are legally bound to obey and that does not require you to break the law to obey.
dkmullen @likeAplan - again, that is one of the 11 general orders to a sentry. Mr. Wood was not in the military, nor was he a sentry.
dkmullen @likeAplan - http://usmilitary.about.com/od/marinejoin/a/11genorders.htm I think this is what you are trying to refer to.
likeAplan I will report all violations of orders I am instructed to enforce and contact my supervisor in any case not covered by my instructions.
dkmullen @likeAplan - and that is not a lawful order, it is a general order to a sentry.
dkmullen @likeAplan - Not sure where you got that from, but that is not one of the general orders to a sentry. And if it were. Those orders do not apply. This guy was a contractor working for the CIA. The general orders of a sentry apply to a sentry. He was neither in the military or a sentry. And you may want to check the wording of that order.
likeAplan I will report violations of my special orders, emergencies, and anything not covered in my instructions, to the commander of the relief.
likeAplan @dkmullen - To report all violations of orders I am instructed to enforce.