dkmullen Van Jones should be Secretary of State. He could get warm a cozy with all of the communists. That would help us. HOW IN THE HELL DID OBAMA APPOINT HIM TO ANY POST? HE IS A COMMUNIST! WHY WOULD OBAMA EVER APPOINT HIM? I know, he was trying to show diversity.
dkmullen @dkmullen - I guess we should have a "Previous Presidents Law" nullifying any capital gains or gifts.
dkmullen So who is going to pay the taxes on Obama's new house? Any gift over $50K will be taxable. So how will he pay for the taxes on $37,000,000.00? And then pay the taxes each year? And even if someone pays the taxes for him, it will be a gift, so he will be taxed on those taxes also.
dkmullen @likeAplan - and by you saying that, only solidifies my position. Someone "in the know" told her that...why else would she say it....it won her vote, along with millions of others. Look again at the project housing Valerie Jarrett was running in Obama's district. They both made a lot of money and left the inhabitants on the street.
likeAplan @dkmullen - what I meant was that right wing pundits use this sound byte or video to paint all supporters of President with the same brush, which is small minded and shortsighted.
dkmullen @likeAplan - So you purport that this woman was listening/watching right-wing media? LOL You are definitely reaching now.
likeAplan @dkmullen - I was that video clip. I have heard this on numerous extreme right wing tv/radio shows.
dkmullen @likeAplan - I wonder where this woman got her information - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI
dkmullen @likeAplan - They are, my point was that the home was given to them by an anonymous donor. They will have to pay taxes on it every year. $37,000,000. I wonder what kind of favor the President is(has given) giving for said home.
likeAplan @dkmullen - I find it curious that you worry about how other people spend their money. Is the First Family not free to spend their money they have earned or will earn anyway that wish to within laws?
dkmullen @likeAplan - not fascist by any stretch. Yes he (the donor of the home) has created about 20 jobs building his $37,000,000 mansion. I wonder how he will be able to afford the taxes on that puppy?
likeAplan @dkmullen - (you said, "It would have been a difference maker if people were smart enough to actually do some research.) I agree. However, if people only do research that further skew their flawed views, then it's fruitless. One should research both sides of the the subject matter or what ever they are researching.
likeAplan @dkmullen - I have not found any evidence that President said anything about helping people with their rent and bills. This is something that you believe, and you can believe anything you want. The foundation of capitalism is Profits. Are you a Fascist? Also, are you admitting that the First Family is creating jobs in the private sector as well?
dkmullen @likeAplan He told the "masses" he would help with their rent and bills and punish the rich. Just like he did as a Senator in IL. Those people in IL were forced out of their homes. The homes that Valerie Jarrett owned and received govt. subsidies for providing them. When it came time for renovations, she closed the place down and sold it for millions in profit. He cares about the poor. He helps them a lot, he is providing jobs to those constructing his $37 million home in Hawaii.
dkmullen @likeAplan - It would have been a difference maker if people were smart enough to actually do some research.
Hummer We could get better representation by opening a phone book with a blind fold on and picking a name and send them up there.
cassesq The "fiscal cliff" is not a revenue cliff, it's a spending cliff. It's like land for peace: no matter how much the American taxpayer gives, the government, and this administration in particular, will figure out how to spend more.
warriorgal7771 Obamacare is unconstitutional and it is typical of liberals to take issues they want passed to activist judges. Shame on the Supreme Court for bad behavior. Justice Roberts is a disgrace and will one day answer to the Judge of all judges. Everything is corrupt and thus the shaking of our nation and the nations of the world will continue. The True and Living God will not be mocked. What a man sows that shall he reap. The absolutes of Holy God have been defiled and only returning to his Ways
warriorgal7771 Let it go over the cliff, finally Americans can see what Obama tax hikes will look like. Why prolong it any more? The president wants to veto tax cuts for all who PAY TAXES, let him have his plan. John F. Kennedy said, "When your economy is suffering you MUST CUT THE TAXES ACROSS THE BOARD." Why do I understand this and the president does not? Is there another agenda? God send REVIVAL to America we NEED You! Have a Glorious CHRISTmas!
likeAplan @cchanldy - Medical care and food cost (excluding prepared foods) should not be costing families an arm and leg. I'm sure you have traveled beyond these United States of America borders, and did you notice the cost of food in those other countries?
likeAplan @cchanldy - Are you saying that you support socialism so long as it's not national? Or, is it that you support it on a regional level in order to support a politician. I understand your position, and I respect it.
cchanldy @likeAplan - once the profit motive is removed from health care, will you guys go for the food industry next? No more profit in food? After food, energy? Food & energy seem more essential to daily life than organized health care. Just wondering when the socialists in the U.S. will decide they've gotten health care out of the way, so that they can move on to the other industries they want to control.
cchanldy @likeAplan - I don't have time to go into much detail, but we've discussed Romney & RomneyCare in the past. You know what Romney said about RomneyCare vs. ObamaCare in the context of federal vs. state constitutions. You know my position on RomneyCare. Romney's RomneyCare vs. Obama's Marxist ideology and speech is a no brainer (at least for those of us who don't want socialism promoted as a part of U.S. national economic policy).
likeAplan @cchanldy - I don't think I answered your initial comment on this question. To be honest, I don't remember what Obama was barking about regarding the 2011 budget, but I do know that all sides agreed that if an accord is not reached by a certain date, automatic spending cuts and deficit reductions and tax increases (Bush tax cuts expires) would occur. Maybe both sides want to plunge of over that mystical "Fiscal Cliff." And, that my friend is politics. It's appears that the GOP is your team.
likeAplan @cchanldy - did you vote for Willard Mitt Romney? I assume you did. If this is true, you voted for a guy who signed RomneyCare into law. But, it's your vote and you can vote however you want. I will not call you ignorant or even a socialist. Who are your US Snators and Representative?
cchanldy At the end of the day @likeAplan, your claims about Obama vs. JFK & Clinton were non factual. Instead of just owning that, you run in another direction. Doesn't matter one bit how much or little either of us know about socialism. You know just enough to vote for it when you see it. I know just enough to vote against it when I see it.
likeAplan @cchanldy - at the end of the day, politicians and political parties who has the most reasonable message wins. It seems like when the other guy or gal or party wins, the opposition wants to say that voters are ignorant. I say that voters can vote for who ever and for what ever reason they want....it's their vote to cast.
likeAplan @cchanldy - ...yet, when the majority wins, some want to whine and cry about heading towards socialism, marxism, etc. I'm not sure how some people can be so easily manipulated to actually believe such things. Healthcare should not be for profit business...I guess some serve money instead of God, but to each his own. I guess one reason why the GOP is not very successful is because they present FICTION and HYPERBOLE as FACT with only a few buying the GOP's BULL.
likeAplan @cchanldy - you know more about socialism than I do...yet, you label me as a socialist. Just a continuation of a GOP strategy (if you say the same things over and over the mass will believe). Seems like many people who are rigid ideologues don't have confidence in the constitution or the greatest, best Country on the planet. Especially, they words like tyranny and socialism. We representative, democratic elections. Majority wins.
cchanldy @likeAplan - one of the reasons Democratic Party socialists have been so successful is that they have been able to keep a large portion of the American populace ignorant of historical facts. You can pretty much say anything you want (like JFK and Bill & Hillary weren't hit with accusations of socialism) and people will just go along and accept what you say.
cchanldy @likeAplan - you also know that FDR and Bill & Hillary Clinton were all denounced for espousing socialist or collectivist policies that were not Constitutional (FDR's New Deal, etc. & Bill/Hillary's HillaryCare). JFK was even denounced by a leading socialist of his day for employing too many socialists ("liberals") in his cabinet, thus reducing their effectiveness: http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=aAVeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=z18NAAAAIBAJ&dq=john%20f%20kennedy%20socialist&pg=6544%2C3039863.
cchanldy @likeAplan - Obama is called a socialist, or Marxist, because he espouses socialist/Marxist themes now, taught them when he was supposed to be covering Constitutional Law as a lecturer, joined those types of groups in college, and was raised by and around socialists (his family members & family friends). You know that for a fact. Democratic party socialists pretend not to get that so that they can keep the vast majority of Americans ginned up with race baiting, etc.
cchanldy @likeAplan - as a U.S. citizen who's ancestors were slaves in this country, I don't believe in forced participation in collectivist policies so that others can benefit from my work and property. That's one of the reason I'm anti-ObamaCare, anti-nationalization of the auto industry, etc. I also like it when the people we elect stick to the Constitution. When they don't we get little things like Plessy vs. Ferguson, ObamaCare, non-recess (pro forma) appointments, FDR's court packing, etc.
cchanldy @likeAplan - I actually can't think of any country that has not instituted at least one large-scale socialistic or collectivist policy that does not involve coercion, but of course I don't know everything about every country. However, your question means about as much as asking someone if every dog they've encountered has been 100% tick free. A country can function nicely before implementing a socialist or collectivist policy (just like the dog can get along just fine without the tick).
likeAplan @cchanldy - (you said, "@likeAplan - playing both ends helps Democratic party leftists keep control of "folks," and keeps them in power:) I would argue the opposite, the GOP throw thing out like President Obama is a socialist, yet they never called JFK or Clinton socialist. Socialist is not a bad thing in my view. However, the GOP uses terminology to keep control of folks in order to win votes and elections.
likeAplan @cchanldy - you still did not answer the question. Can you name any country that has no socialism? Or, can you name a country that is at least 51% socialist? If those two questions are too difficult, here is an easy one, can you name any country that is pure capitalism?
cchanldy @likeAplan - playing both ends helps Democratic party leftists keep control of "folks," and keeps them in power: Obama and a vast majority of the Democratic Party elite are socialist or espouse Marxist ideology. You pretend they don't, then tout the benefits of the very socialism you think benefits capitalistic societies. You can't have it both ways and have any real credibility.
cchanldy @likeAplan - wait, what socialism? Is socialism now a word only leftists are allowed to use? I thought pointing out "socialism" or identifying someone as a socialist was considered "name calling?" Really, the truth is socialism is like a leach or a tick. A first world capitalist economy can keep going with it attached, but it's a serious drag, not a positive attachment. It's also not a core feature of the economy, but one leftists have forced or grafted into the economy.
likeAplan @SarahAnneBower - I just don't understand some people affinity with the words socialism and marxism. Most folk who throw those words around lousy don't understand that without some form of socialism, capitalism will not thrive. With that said, when they are asked to name a first world country that is without any socialism, you can hear a pin drop.
SarahAnneBower misuse and the words just tossed out there to hurt others without being responsible. Being PC seems to relieve some of being more open with their slander so I do appreciate PC but if it's a lie it's a lie. When Ms tried to get on you I just kinda saw red and was not going to let it get by today as it has other days. Boy couldn't have gotten that any more goofed up. Sorry again and guess she taught me a lesson to find what and who I'm talking to and about first. Not perfect but not hurtful either
SarahAnneBower Well Mr Plan I am truly undecided about what will hurt us the most. So many different scenarios could prevail. I am somewhat informed on the matter. I'm no constitutional lawyer but not an abject idiot either. So I do try to state my position and I really don't mean to dis on folks but darn it do get my panties in a bunch over some of this stuff. I thought another redneck was being placating and I would just as soon they be truthful than politically correct. I get so inundated with the verbiage
likeAplan @SarahAnneBower - No need to apologize. You said things much better than I could have. I enjoy reading your comments. It's refreshing to heard objective views/opinions.
likeAplan @SarahAnneBower and @cchanldy, this is an interesting conversation that went from fiscal cliff to socialism to race relations. It seems that since then Senator Obama started his presidential campaign the word "socialist" and "marxist" were thrown about by conservative pundits like parade candy then certain groups of people picked it up and ran with it. Even members of Congress felt compelled to use those words in speeches. I guess the GOP thought it would be a difference maker.
SarahAnneBower Mr Plan I also apologize to you. I had no business in your conversation since it was just the two of you and I also had no business playing the race card. Yes ignorance was rampant at my end this am and I am very sorry if I offended you or Ms Chanldy in any way. Let my mouth( or fingers) overload my backside again. I am just too loose with the idea of this site being very predominately Tea Party and forget there are very intelligent folks on here also with legitimate points. Again sorry...
SarahAnneBower Ma'am to also clarify I also hear commie and socialist thrown around so much that the meaning to many has been lost. Just giving a person a hand with a project is now labeled as socialism. In a way true. The misuse of words and phrases on here is unbelievable and very one sided. I was wrong to not have ANY data except from my head and did not research this conversation one iota before capping on you and that was disrespectful to both of you.Very sorry and thank you for reminding me to think 1st
SarahAnneBower @cchanldy - I was just coming to do the same. I was wrong and had no business even using the race card and you are correct there. Ma'am I could pass for white as long as no one met my mother. She was adopted and just wasn't white. Raised white but not white enough. Lot's of snickers growing up,. So I am sensitive when I think white folks are beating up on a human being because of skin color. Probably more so because of the experience. I am very sorry to have upset you so and I do apologize.
cchanldy @SarahAnneBower - I'm going to apologize to you, because I went too far. I could have said what I said in a much nicer way. I'm sorry.
SarahAnneBower And ma'am you call it race baiting but unless people are made responsible for their attitude about race and made aware of the demeaning attitudes toward people with darker skin, What?So where does it end? I am of mixed race and have been shunned in both worlds so when I hear someone compare a man to another and I think it is another redneck I guess a protective instinct came over me. Excuse my ignorance and will not reply again. It is a conversation America needs to have eventually.
cchanldy Posting this to make it clear: I mentioned Van Jones, because he uses the "language of patriotism" to mask his Marxism. I've read his stuff for over a year. I also tend to actually read about the history of socialism, communism, fascism, slavery, Civil Rights, politics in America, etc., and it's not a new interest. I won't dumb down my discussions to please bigots or racists (on either side of the left/right divide).
SarahAnneBower @cchanldy - Well yes ma'am but to throw the race card out on this forum was asking to be baited. These folks will just use the Van Jones reference to tear this man apart and I have found his conversation to be well thought out and I may be a foolish liberal but at least I understand that compassion and a helping hand doesn't equate to communism. So hasta. And excuse me for highjacking your wisdom with reference to Mr Plan and enjoy your conversation.
cchanldy @SarahAnneBower - You are a bigoted, poorly read, ignorant leftist. Steeped in racism and too stupid to do any real research before you post (Googling at the last minute isn't research). I won't be responding to your illiteracy and ignorance again. Life is too short, and racists, bigots, and the lazy minded don't deserve my time. Post away.
cchanldy @SarahAnneBower - go FAR away you race baiting, leftist, poorly read, "Faux News" yelling bigot.
cchanldy @SarahAnneBower - you are a complete and utter fool. Don't post to me again. I'm a black woman you idiot. @likeAplan knows this. You jumped into a conversation without looking back at previous conversations to get an idea of who/what we are. Leftists like you throw out the race card because it works against guilt-ridden whites. It doesn't work with me. I know exactly who Van Jones is, and the color of his skin is the last thing I was thinking of. Such idiocy's unforgivable. Go away.
SarahAnneBower And corporate state control is called fascism and that is where we are headed if you have your way. More power and cash to the top. Well you can say it but to compare him to Van Jones is still racists I don't care what color you are. We are all the same people and to separate him out and compare him to a well known very liberal black man that you know the white folks hate is provocative to say the least.
cchanldy @SarahAnneBower - I know who I support and it's not the socialists, the cultists, the lazy, or the stupid. It's those who promote capitalism, free will, and freedom, which is what the vulnerable need the most.
SarahAnneBower The only likeness I see with Van Jones is his skin color but I'm sure you don't mean that. Maybe you need to regroup at the humble fountain and either say what ya mean or don't bring it up. Just because you folks don't say the word 'Nigger' does not mean it doesn't come across and I find your attitude to an educated black man as typical when you have nothing else. You played the race card dude and it sure shows that Mr Plan bested you in the argument.
cchanldy @SarahAnneBower - more yada yada yada proving you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm guessing you don't even know what corporate state socialism is, or you would have responded by stating whether or not I was correct in my assessment. I don't stand with the vulnerable because I'm not a socialist? Such stupidity is all the rage on the left. Doesn't fly with me.
SarahAnneBower @cchanldy - Your goofy too. You folks throw socialist and commie around just because you don't know either what they mean or it is just another conservative buzz word when you have no argument. Don't give me your "I love America" crap when you don't stand with the vulnerable. You are no patriot if you need to call people commie to make your point. Socialism has worked well with Capitalism to provide us with some security both physical and financial and has not hurt the rich at all.
cchanldy @SarahAnneBower - you have no idea what you are talking about. @likeAplan IS a socialist underneath all the "Patriotism" language he co-opted (like a Van Jones wannabee) from tea partiers. Obama functions as a corporate state socialist, although he uses Marxist language and memes to inform his supporters. If you don't know what socialism and communism are, don't pretend others who do know are just labeling when they use the terms. If you do know what they are, don't lie and pretend others don't.
cchanldy @likeAplan - I am on the "good guys" team. Wish you, Obama, and a vast swath of the Democratic Party faithful weren't socialists, and that you valued the Constitution.
SarahAnneBower More scare tactics. Mr Prez do not cave. I know they all say they hate the gov't but I'll bet they'll still cash your checks. Been trying to get the red states to give the money back but no takers.
SarahAnneBower Mr Plan the conservatives can not deal with that type of reality. It is sad when facts are stated and the label of socialist and communist gets thrown out because that is the defense card. When logic prevails your intelligence will be challenged right along with your loyalty. Just boggles my mind. And yes I also am a progressive patriot. Hey I heard we were taking over the planet yesterday so things are looking up.
likeAplan @cchanldy - my friend, we will have to agree to disagree with this one.....wish you were on the good guys team.
cchanldy @likeAplan - You say, "Throw those talking points into the trash, the 2012 campaign is over," followed by "FORWARD?" That's actually pretty funny. Do you even read what you write, or does it just flow from some socialist propaganda arm at the White House?
cchanldy @likeAplan - the appointments in question (ones made on January 4, 2012 involving Richard Cordray, Terrence F. Flynn, Sharon Block & Richard F. Griffin Jr.) were made while the Senate was not in recess. The Senate was using pro forma sessions, which Democratic Leader of the Senate Harry Reid had used during the Bush administration. Forward indeed. Forward to socialism and tyranny with a government that won't follow the letter or spirit of the law. It's shameful.
cchanldy @likeAplan - no, a coward would have made a bad decision, ignoring the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution so that he/she could either maintain their "separate, but equal status," be accepted by their peers, or gain in some other way. Making a bad decision for bad reasons can be a sign of cowardice and from my perspective there's cowardice in a number of decisions, including the ObamaCare decision.
likeAplan @likeAplan - I have never said that Plessy vs. Ferguson was good for the country, don't put words into my mouth. Here is what we were debating (you said, "Obama didn't wait for a recess to make appointments and he certainly didn't get any advice and consent.") I say this is not true. The appointment were constitutional. Throw those talking points into the trash, the 2012 campaign is over. FORWARD.
likeAplan @cchanldy - I do not agree with the Plessy vs. Ferguson decision for I grew up under that decision (separate but "so-called" equal) It was a bad decision, but I will not call the Justices Cowards because a coward would have run away from making a decision.
likeAplan @cchanldy - We are specifically talking about the Senate. The Senate must agree by unanimous vote to go into recess or adjournment. I'm not sure which recess appointment you are referring to, but President Obama has made about 40 recess appointments (much, much less than any recent President). Intrasession Recess Appointments, 13 Op. O.L.C. 271, 272 (1989) (quoting Executive Power—Recess Appointments, 33 Op. Att’y Gen. 20, 24 (1921)
cchanldy @likeAplan - Supreme Court justices can be cowardly, and there have been many (both past and present). The fact that you don't acknowledge this says a lot. Not going to bother talking about other cases beyond Plessy, since you'd accept those decisions as the act of brave justices just ruling their little hearts out for the good of the country. What a strange ideology.
cchanldy @likeAplan - if your interpretation is used, the Congress could be considered to be "in recess" when too many members went to the bathroom at the same time, or went home for dinner. The Constitution isn't that unclear. Harry Reid didn't have a problem interpreting it when he began using pro-forma sessions. It's just when a Democratic politician becomes POTUS that Democrats can't seem to remember any historical precedent or facts.
likeAplan @cchanldy - Recess appointments cannot be made if the Senate is in session. The constitution is vague about the meaning of "recess." With that said, recess appointments expire at the end of the next session. Don't dislike the President's decision, dislike the wording of the Constitution.
likeAplan @cchanldy - you can use any words you wish. Just because you use a particular word does not mean it is correct. Supreme Court Justices are not cowards in my view. Apparently, you view them differently.
cchanldy @likeAplan - Oh, and Obama's non recess appointments were NOT approved by the Senate. That's the whole point. Bill Clinton got away with that kind of word play, but people were laughing AT him, not agreeing with him. Stop trying to be slick. It just looks silly.
cchanldy @likeAplan - it's always amazing to me the way Democratic party socialists try to restrict the use of language, certain words, to control people. We can't say "liar" when someone's lying. We can't say "cowardice" when someone's acted in a cowardly manner. Democratic party socialists have been very successful at restricting language, and then using the language of patriotism to mask their un-patriotic ideas and actions. It's been going on for over 100 yrs. They've gotten really good at it.
cchanldy @likeAplan - SCOTUS @likeAplan, SCOTUS. Your whole "the SCOTUS said it's constitutional, so it's constitutional" nonsense hits a big brick wall when you look back at other decisions that even you cannot say were constitutional. It's also clear that the appointments Obama made were NOT recess appointments, but appointments he made when Congress had not officially recessed. Pretending I have a problem with an actual recess appointment is beneath even a socialist (or maybe it's not).
likeAplan @cchanldy - when your guy makes recess appintments, it all good, but when a party member you don't support makes recess appointments, you cry and whine. The rules were my by YOUR founding fathers. I say again, stop putting party above country. I am a PROUD Liberal Patriot! Country First.
likeAplan @cchanldy - What does Plessy vs. Ferguson has to do with recess appointments? President Obama's recess appointments were all approved by the Senate.
cchanldy @likeAplan - when a socialist tells me I'm putting party before country, I just shake my head at the hypocrisy and ignorance. What nerve.
cchanldy @likeAplan - it's clear you could care less about the Constitution, or the violations of it. You know very well which appointments were made in violation of it. If you don't, then you're running your mouth without doing research to back it up. I know exactly what I'm saying about those appointments, and about the cowardice within the SCOTUS and within Congress. Miss me with the "SCOTUS said it's constitutional, so it's constitutional" stupidity. Plessy vs. Ferguson, remember?
likeAplan @cchanldy - Justices who serve on SCOTUS are not cowards. You say this only because you don't agree with their decision. I did not hear your crying about corporation being people. I did not agree with that decision, but I did not call them cowards. Stop putting party above Country. The election is over. Obama care was approved by Congress, signed into law by the sitting President and ruled constitutional by the Supreme Court.
likeAplan @cchanldy - which official was appointed in violation of Article II, Sec II, Para III of the Constitution? If this is true, the appointment would have been rescinded. Who was appointed and on which date did President Obama make the appointment?
cchanldy @likeAplan - ObamaCare's a clear violation also: it doesn't fall within the enumerated powers given to Congress, but the cowardly Chief Justice invented a "tax" loophole that allowed him to cast a vote ruling for it. A tax loophole that the Obama administration actually argued against, claiming it wasn't a tax when it was being legislated. Talk about dishonest.
cchanldy @likeAplan - Congress hasn't acted, because being called 'racist' and wanting to stay in power has made cowards of a lot of men and women who should be standing up. Article 2 Section 2 addresses recess appointments and advise & consent. Obama didn't wait for a recess to make appointments and he certainly didn't get any advice and consent. It's a clear violation of the letter and spirit of the Constitution to do what he did.
likeAplan If the constitution has been violated, why has Congress or SCOTUS not acted? Also which Article has been violated?
cchanldy @likeAplan - Oh, almost forgot, nice fake. Next time, address the issues I raise instead of pretending I'm not putting America first.
cchanldy @likeAplan - I never put it last. Those who support an administration that has no problem with violating the U.S. Constitution are the ones who are putting America behind their own selfish desires. That's pretty obvious.
likeAplan @cchanldy - the election is over...when will you put America first?
cchanldy They all are. In 2011, Obama proposed almost the same thing the House GOP leadership is proposing, but now he's saying it's unacceptable. The GOP Senate said they wanted to vote on Obama's plan, and Sen. Harry Reid apparently decided he couldn't take the risk that his own Democrats would vote against it. The GOP needs to vote "present" & let the Democrats have the entire thing. Let them raise taxes on the richest Americans (which includes a large % of Democrats). Let the Dems own it.